Comments on: The Fish’s “Window” and Fly Design (#1) http://fishfliesandwater.com/2009/04/18/the-fishs-window-and-fly-design-1/ Jason Borger's Fly-Fishing Blog Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:20:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JB http://fishfliesandwater.com/2009/04/18/the-fishs-window-and-fly-design-1/comment-page-1/#comment-348 JB Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:37:22 +0000 http://fishfliesandwater.com/?p=940#comment-348 Marc—Yes, a bit of mystery is not always a bad thing in fly fishing... Marc—Yes, a bit of mystery is not always a bad thing in fly fishing…

]]> By: marc fauvet http://fishfliesandwater.com/2009/04/18/the-fishs-window-and-fly-design-1/comment-page-1/#comment-346 marc fauvet Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:28:06 +0000 http://fishfliesandwater.com/?p=940#comment-346 hi Jason, i'll just take a lackadaisical approach to all that and just say yes to them all ! the best part in all this is we'll never know, and that's good. cheers, marc hi Jason,

i’ll just take a lackadaisical approach to all that and just say yes to them all !

the best part in all this is we’ll never know, and that’s good.

cheers,
marc

]]> By: JB http://fishfliesandwater.com/2009/04/18/the-fishs-window-and-fly-design-1/comment-page-1/#comment-345 JB Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:59:42 +0000 http://fishfliesandwater.com/?p=940#comment-345 Marc—I think that your comment on the wing-post brings up another interesting aspect of fly design. The fly pattern shown has proven to be a solid performer (indeed, it is essentially a Comparadun-style fly), so what gives? Could it be that the "wrong" wing profile stands out a bit, and may be effective simply because of that (especially in a heavy hatch)? Could it be that the "wrong" wing profile (more visible, or more obvious) means that the wing actually triggers a stronger response (a "trigger" or "super-trigger" mechanism, which leads back toward the previous question)? Could it be that the "wrong" wing profile (perhaps indicating a crippled, or partly emerged insect) means that the fly represents an easy catch (following the predatory approach of "Go for the young, the old, and the infirm")? Could it be that the "wrong" wing profile matters less than the "right" surface impression <i>outside</i> the window (and how long is the fish getting a good look at the wing)? And, could it be that the "wrong" wing profile just doesn''t matter that much to fish that are up and looking for meat? ;-) Theories have abounded about all of the above questions, that's one thing that certainly is for sure! As for me? Well, when it comes to mayflies, I do tend to like patterns that have a more realistic surface impression/profile (I like yarn, sail and loop-wing types of dun designs, for instance), but I have fished enough to know that a plain-old Adams Parachute can take plenty of tough fish, too (and that's another entire post or series of posts)... Marc—I think that your comment on the wing-post brings up another interesting aspect of fly design. The fly pattern shown has proven to be a solid performer (indeed, it is essentially a Comparadun-style fly), so what gives?

Could it be that the “wrong” wing profile stands out a bit, and may be effective simply because of that (especially in a heavy hatch)? Could it be that the “wrong” wing profile (more visible, or more obvious) means that the wing actually triggers a stronger response (a “trigger” or “super-trigger” mechanism, which leads back toward the previous question)? Could it be that the “wrong” wing profile (perhaps indicating a crippled, or partly emerged insect) means that the fly represents an easy catch (following the predatory approach of “Go for the young, the old, and the infirm”)? Could it be that the “wrong” wing profile matters less than the “right” surface impression outside the window (and how long is the fish getting a good look at the wing)? And, could it be that the “wrong” wing profile just doesn”t matter that much to fish that are up and looking for meat? ;-) Theories have abounded about all of the above questions, that’s one thing that certainly is for sure!

As for me? Well, when it comes to mayflies, I do tend to like patterns that have a more realistic surface impression/profile (I like yarn, sail and loop-wing types of dun designs, for instance), but I have fished enough to know that a plain-old Adams Parachute can take plenty of tough fish, too (and that’s another entire post or series of posts)…

]]> By: marc fauvet http://fishfliesandwater.com/2009/04/18/the-fishs-window-and-fly-design-1/comment-page-1/#comment-343 marc fauvet Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:18:34 +0000 http://fishfliesandwater.com/?p=940#comment-343 hi Jason ! just goes to show once again that however we may think that a fly resembles a real insect, it just doesn't... this ever ending conundrum of trying to outwit a creature with a pea-sized brain is fascinating though. always makes me wonder which one, the angler or the fish, has the pea-sized brain ;-) anyhow, what stands out most to me is the wing-post. of all the other elements it's the least realistic, or rather, most out of place. cheers, marc hi Jason !

just goes to show once again that however we may think that a fly resembles a real insect, it just doesn’t…
this ever ending conundrum of trying to outwit a creature with a pea-sized brain is fascinating though.
always makes me wonder which one, the angler or the fish, has the pea-sized brain ;-)

anyhow, what stands out most to me is the wing-post. of all the other elements it’s the least realistic, or rather, most out of place.

cheers,
marc

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