Two Vids for the Casting Geeks

Been a while since I last posted hard-core, technical fly-casting vids, so here you go. These are two 500 frame-per-second videos from my good friend, and occasional co-author, Grunde Løvoll (the caster is Mathias Lilleheim). These focus on the backcast of an extreme distance style of casting. I will add a few more notes later, but to get you thinking, what do these two videos say about the traditional notion of the “the stop” in fly casting? And do you notice anything interesting about where the loop nose points and why (after all, the rod butt reaches a halt (more or less) very low, but is the loop nose actually aimed into the ground)? Check out what happens to the rod leg of the loop as the loop propagates, too.

NOTES: Copyright 2010 Grunde Løvoll (grunde (at) fiskekroken (dot) org)
The video is released under the CC Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 licence (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/)

Cast m8:

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Cast m9:

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Update: Now that readers have had some time to digest these, compare/contrast to some shorter-line work here (same 500 fps frame-rate).

4 Comments

  1. alex says:

    WONDERFUL casts – loop has already formed when rod dips I would think.
    But is the moving the rod too far into the forward motion before double hauling on the forward cast – that is what I am curious about..

    • JB says:

      Alex—Haul timing is pretty much spot-on, but everything can look a little “off” at 20X slo-mo. The key is getting max haul speed close to maximum rod-tip speed. Max tip speed seems to fall in the range of .02-second (or so) prior to the rod coming straight during unload. Mathias (who I know and have cast with), is quite close to that. In much of my instruction, I teach “haul LATE” to get people to peak their hauls closer to the end of unload.

      Brian—Yeah, Mathias is a *seriously* good caster (as you may already know), and has his timing pretty tight here.

      Andy—At 20X slo-mo, this looks like it takes a long time, especially when viewed in the mental context of “down/up” as an immediate motion. But, yes, there is a short period before Mathias feeds line again. it is not just haul-and-pop-back-up instantly.

      As for creep, I am in the camp that creep is also related to intention. That is, if Mathias was just moving up-and-forward significantly without intending to do so, I’d call creep. in this case, I see him re-setting his body and rod position as the loop tightens and propagates, so not causing any creep-related issues (I have cast competition shooting heads with Mathias and I know just how good his timing is). See my mo-cap video above for a lesss obvious example of my arm/hand moving just slightly into the start if the cast. In neither case was creep, at least in its more obvious, larger form, affecting the end result. There may even be some slight adjustment of slack going on, as well, which at this kind of time resolution appears “creep like” in nature. In any case, good eye on that!

      Thanks to the three of you for taking the time to comment. More to come soon.

  2. Brian says:

    Great video. Love looking at these casts in super slow motion.

    Alex, looking at that cast the timing of the haul is perfect. I think that if he started his haul any earlier he would run out of haul arm movement before he turned the rod over at the end of the forward cast and probably throw a tailing loop.

  3. Andy says:

    This certainly conflicts with the idea of “down/up” feeding of hauled line. It is clear that the release is waiting for the moving line to pull the extra line. Also the forward move of rod before complete straigntening of line on backcast would normally be considered creep but in these videos the rod loading seems to be assisted by the final pull of line at end of cast even after starting forward rod motion.

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